DEAR DR. NERDLOVE: I have been approached by another man in my local autistic self-advocacy group. He knows I’m a kinkster and wants me to help him enter the scene so he can find a kinky girlfriend.
The thing is, his digital footprint and the limited interactions I have had with him give off some serious Nice Guy/incel vibes. That’s not even getting into his politics, which are incoherent but very right wing-coded and drenched in military fetishization. He’s made a vague pro-dictatorship statement before.
I’ve been in the scene long enough to know what would happen if he entered it, he’d be at the very least shunned pretty quickly or banned. I’ve been pressured by third parties to bring him in, but I really think that he needs to do some internal work before he’s ready to do that.
When I mentioned this, I was told that I was “leaving him behind.” I do think this guy needs support, but I think sending him into the kink space as-is can’t be the right path. I obviously can’t stop him from going by himself, but I also don’t want to lead him to a situation where he gets tossed out because of his behavior.
Some folks in the autism community are working with him (my personal life is on fire so I can’t devote as much time) to improve his behaviors, but I think we have a ways to go before I feel comfortable exposing him to that kind of environment. I know it sounds paternalistic, but I’d rather position him for success than what I think would happen now.
How can I give this guy the support he needs without setting him up for disaster?
Red Flag/Black Flag
DEAR RED FLAG/BLACK FLAG: This is a thorny one, RF/BF. On the one hand, it’s admirable that you and others in your advocacy group want to help this guy. On the other hand, there’s helping and then there’s “helping”, where assisting this guy reach his stated goals is going to end up being a net negative for everyone else.
There’re a few things that leapt out at me in your letter that set off my Spidey-sense like a car alarm at 3 AM, and for a few different reasons. The most obvious was your description of him as “incoherent politics but drenched in military fetishization”. While that’s not automatically a red flag, I would be lying if I didn’t say it gave me concern; that’s a very similar description to many or the recent perpetrators of political violence. I obviously don’t know this guy, but it’s a pattern that would give me significant pause.
The other thing that leapt out at me was that you’re feeling pressured by others to bring him in. I wish you’d elaborated more on that – is it from others in your advocacy group? Is it from folks in the kink scene? Is it from peers of his who aren’t part of your community? And more importantly: are they dismissing or ignoring your worries about this guy?
I’m sure you’ve heard of The Missing Stair – a phrase coined by Cliff Jerrison to describe someone who’s known to be a danger in the community, but one that everyone basically ignores. The metaphor involves a sort of structural issue – such as a staircase with one stair missing – that’s a known hazard that doesn’t get fixed. Everyone who hangs out there knows to be careful going up or down the stairs and step or leap over the gap, so it’s not seen as that big of a problem… right up until someone who doesn’t know about the missing stair falls and breaks their leg. The point of the metaphor is about how communities will sometimes ignore someone who’s a risk – if not an actual danger – because they see ‘fixing’ the stair as a bigger issue. Everyone knows to avoid the missing stair after all, so really if someone else gets hurt because of it, it was kinda their fault.
There’s a lot of overlap with one of the Geek Social Fallacies – specifically about how ostracizers are evil and you shouldn’t do it… and how this can lead to keeping people around who were getting ostracized for good reason.
This is why I’m bothered by the folks pressuring you to “bring him in”. I’m sure their intentions are in the right place, don’t get me wrong. I’m a little more worried, though, that they’re so focused on getting you to help this guy that they’re ignoring the potential red flags. If the end goal of “support our guy” end up blinding them to the way that this might cause harm to others, that’s a problem, no matter how well-intentioned they may be.
The ”you’re leaving him behind” aspect is an example of this. It’s one thing to be offering a hand out to the people behind you when you’ve ‘made it’ (for however you want to define having made it), but it’s another entirely to do so uncritically and without considering who you’re giving a hand up to. If you’re right and this guy is incredibly unsuited for the community, then bringing him in would be introducing potential harm to others. I hate to go all Spock here, but this is a time when the needs of the many (to not have to deal with a Missing Stair) really does outweigh the needs of the few (the guy who wants a kinky girlfriend). “Leaving him behind” can seem bad, but bringing him along as is would be worse.
I do have to wonder if the folks pushing you are at all familiar and connected with the kink community, or if they’re coming to this from a place of relative ignorance of how kink spaces work.
In fact, that’s a relevant question for this guy as well. Does he have any meaningful experience in kink? I don’t mean this to be a catch-22 setup where he needs experience to enter the scene in order to get experience, I simply mean whether he’s operating from a place of complete ignorance or fantasy?
Folks who are looking for a “kinky girlfriend” are often a lot like dudes who want goth girlfriends or geeky girlfriends – they’re often more focused on a fetish object than a person, and haven’t put a lot of thought into what that means beyond surface trappings. It may be worth exploring precisely what he thinks this would entail – not just issues of what kind of kink he’s into or whether he’s a top or a sub, but if he understands the dynamics of kink. A lot of folks get hot for the visuals of shibari or dominatrix outfits but forget things like negotiating scenes in advance, aftercare or even that a lot of kink doesn’t involve sex.
Does he think that kinksters are also indiscriminate f--k-monsters? Does he think that play parties are orgies with more elaborate outfits? If he does find a kinky girlfriend in the community, is he going to have a problem when she wants to continue doing scenes with other people?
Hell, has he considered that maybe he should separate his desire to explore kink and the kink community and his desire to find a girlfriend? It might be easier for him to get some experience under his belt by exploring the community solo and learning about kink in general, and then meet someone who’s not kinky yet. After all, a lot of kinksters discover they are, in fact, kinky, because they started dating someone who was kinky already and it grew on them.
I’ll be honest, RFBF: I’d be a little hesitant about bringing this dude into the scene too, simply on the basis of how everyone seems to dismiss your concerns while they push you to help him. And quite frankly, while helping him is an admirable goal… it’s not your responsibility to be the one to help him just because you’re the only one with a foot in both worlds. Wanting to help a fellow autistic person succeed and grow is great, but you’re not bound to do so no matter what. Especially if you have neither the resources nor the training nor the experience to actually help.
But if you want to know the best way you can set this guy up for success – without burning yourself out in the process – is simply to help him socialize and find community in the physical world. The autism self-advocacy group is a good start, but the goal shouldn’t be “let’s get this guy ready to tie folks up and smack some asses” (or get tied up and have his butt beat black and blue), it should be “let’s get you some social skills and help you make friends who aren’t online weirdos”.
I’ve said before that the key to helping a lot of folks leave incel beliefs behind is to get them to go outside and touch grass, and I stand by it. A lot of the way that folks end up self-radicalizing is through isolating themselves to the point that online spaces are the only community they know. Getting them out into the physical world and interacting with people who aren’t terminally online is crucial. I honestly can’t overemphasize how important it is to have people in your life who see some of the online bulls--t you (the general “you”, not you specifically, BFRF) soak in and say “…wow, that’s really weird and not at all how the world actually works.”
Helping him make some friends, maybe join a pub trivia team or something… that will help a hell of a lot more than trying to do some sort of impromptu deprogramming. And if he can make some nice normie friends and start taking down some of that red-flag behavior… well maybe then you could say “ok, there’s a munch at The Green Mesquite this weekend, you should come meet some folks.”
Good luck.
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