DEAR DR. NERDLOVE: I’m in my late 20’s and I’m fed up with dating. I feel like I’m trying to knock down a wall by hitting it with my head over and over again. The only viable option for dating seems to be apps now that I’m out of college. I have tried pretty much every popular dating app. Initially I got the most matches on Hinge but none of those lead to anything long term. Each of them averaged about 3 dates and then just kind of fizzled out. These days I get NO matches on dating apps. The app I probably had the most success with was Bumble. Using Bumble led to my first and only long-term relationship so far and it also lead to me making a new friendship. So, my experiences haven’t been a total loss. However, those were the only two matches I ever got on that app over a period of about two years.
In the meantime, my peers have all seemingly met their soul mates and are all either having kids or starting to think about having kids. For most people I know, the person they are married to was only the second person they ever dated. In fact, I know at least one couple that has been together since middle school.
I’ve been ok with being single since I made the choice to end my last relationship, and to be clear I don’t regret that decision. Following the conclusion of that relationship I’ve focused on improving my mental health and practicing self-care. While my life still isn’t perfect, I’m MUCH better off than I was 3 years ago.
However, as I’m getting older and my friends become less available to hang out, I’m starting to realize I’m lonely. That, combined with the specter of turning 30, is making me think about how to find a serious relationship again. I’ve read your old post about how you should “get off the dating apps” but I can’t seem to find viable alternatives. I’ve looked on places like meetup.com for inspiration and either events cost money, or they conflict with my work hours or the ones that seem to be interesting are all being attended by people who are in their 60’s. Honestly, I’m f--king frustrated and in my opinion the problem seems to be systemic. It’s the result of factors like the increasing power of tech companies, and the ever-growing cost of living. My folks haven’t been able to help me out. They remember back in their days when you would see someone attractive, flirt a bit and then ask them out on a date. That’s not how it works anymore. If anything, that approach feels like a social taboo. My mom has said she doesn’t understand my generation at all and I have told her that I don’t either.
If I’m doing something wrong or there is a resource available, I haven’t considered then please let me know. If I’m right and the problem is systemic, then is there anything I can do to improve my odds beyond advocating for long term political and social reform?
-Sincerely, Super Exhausted
DEAR SUPER EXHAUSTED: OK, I am going to tell you something that you’re not going to want to hear:
Your parents were right.
“See someone you find attractive, talk to them, flirt, ask on a date” is how you still meet people, even in the far-flung future of 2025 AD. That hasn’t changed. The only thing that has changed is where it’s all happening, not how.
Here’s the thing that people keep getting wrong about dating apps: they’re nothing more than glorified introduction services. They are, for all intents and purposes, a singles bar in your pocket. They put you in the same metaphorical room with other people who are also interested in dating and meeting people and… well, the rest is ultimately up to you. Everything else – the match percentages, the algorithms, the boosts, flowers and so on – are sales pitches and attempts to increase the perceived value of the apps. You could try to skip the walled garden aspect and instead try something akin to an r4r subreddit for your city, where you may have no algorithm to fight against but still have to deal with upvotes and downvotes… but that’s functionally just the personals – proving once again that there is nothing new under the sun. ��But at the end of the day, the process is exactly the same as seeing someone on the street, in a bar or in class: you go over, you introduce yourself, make small talk, see if they’re receptive, maybe flirt a little if the conversation is going well and then ask someone on a date.
This is what trips people up; the apps aren’t magical, they’re just convenient. The only thing that’s fundamentally different from meeting someone in person is that you’re capable of “approaching” (i.e. swiping right, pinging, liking, etc.) far more people at a time than you could in person. You can’t carry on, say, four separate conversations while also saying “hello” to another ten people at a bar or hanging out at a mixer; you can on a dating app. But otherwise, the skills you need are functionally the same.
Now, this exchange comes with obvious trade-offs. For one, the apps have a vested interest in getting the customer to convert, and so they do things like paywall the people who you might most want to talk to. There’s also the fact that, as one person put it, you can’t photograph a personality; some people’s appeal doesn’t come across in still images, but in how they move and talk and behave. You can get hints of personality in the profile and in the photo choices, but it’s still next to impossible to get a full picture of who someone is and what they’re like until you meet them in person.
You also run into the issue that there’s a difference between someone who’s attractive and someone who’s good at creating a dating profile. Being good at being photographed, picking the right photos and knowing how to write a good profile are all specialized skills that don’t necessarily translate to being attractive or unattractive in person. It’s very similar to how a person could be an incredible songwriter but couldn’t carry a tune with both hands and a bucket and vice versa.
In fact, to take that further, there’s also the fact that there’re a host of signals and signs that affect whether you’re attracted to someone or not that you simply can’t detect without being in the same physical space as them. No dating app can convey the way they smell or the sound of their laugh when they’re delighted. You don’t see how they treat the waitstaff or how their eyes sparkle when they tell a joke. You don’t know how warm or stand-offish they may be in person or how their voice sounds to you or any of the other little hints and tells and body language and pheromones that affect attraction and connection. So, as a result: you get a lot of false positives – dates that don’t necessarily go anywhere or that fizzle out.
There’s also the fact that you’re exposing yourself to more rejection, precisely because you can carry on more conversations and approach more people; it’s nothing to do with the apps or people’s expectations or standards, and everything to do with math.
And yes, the swipe mechanic and reduced space for profiles does encourage shallower or less thoughtful connections; it’s in the app’s benefit to keep you mindlessly swiping until you get frustrated, and then to sell you tools that will supposedly alleviate that frustration. And if you happen to be someone who is popular on the apps, it’s very easy to get overwhelmed by people who flood every profile with low �– or no-effort messages. As I’ve said before, the average first message from men on dating apps is around twelve to twenty-four characters. Not words: individual characters, including spaces and punctuation.
And now in the age of LLM plagiarism machines being widely available, even longer messages are zero effort and zero consideration as folks try to outsource their personality to chatbots with delusions of grandeur.
But like I said: this is why “how dating has changed” is more of an illusion than reality. The process and the skillset of “see someone, talk to them, ask them out” is the same. The problem is how little people actually try to cultivate those skills or to put them into active use. Because that’s the other part of the issue: if you want to get better at using those skills, you have to actually use them. And a lot of people’s dating struggles tend to revolve around all the ways they’re trying to avoid having to use them in the first place.
It doesn’t matter if you’re in a – pardon the phrase – “target rich environment”, whether in person or online, if you aren’t going to actually go and talk to people, or if you haven’t worked on the skills necessary to actually make that connection. You still use those skills you’re going to struggle on the apps too – including if you get to the stage of actually meeting up in person, which is the part that folks often tend to forget in favor of maximizing matches.
And if you’re not practicing those skills in real life, they’re not going to improve. Which is part of why the process of getting better results on the apps is the same as getting better results meeting people in person: you use the skills. Otherwise, there will be no improvement.
And it’s not that hard to improve the skills; you talk to people, you do your best to get to know them, develop rapport and generally connect with them as a person. And that means that you have to be comfortable talking to strangers… otherwise they won’t stop being strangers. And that includes making new friends, not just finding potential lovers – something that should be of interest to you, since, as you’ve noted, you’re feeling lonely and it’s harder to meet up with your friends.
The reason why “approaching” has become a social taboo – it hasn’t, but that’s not the point – isn’t that people are turned off by it, it’s that people are assholes about it. Women, f’rex, aren’t inherently against meeting someone at the grocery store, the park, or at a MeetUp, it’s that much of their day is full of folks who see “existing in public” as a sign that those women exist for those guys’ consumption. A guy who has decent social skills, who reads the room and picks an appropriate moment to say “hey” is very different from a guy who tries to bulldoze their way into a conversation and sees her as an NPC in his game of life.
It’s very much the equivalent of having to deal with all the folks with clipboards or mixtapes demanding your time and attention and not taking “no thank you” or silence as an answer. If that was a significant portion of your daily existence, you would be on guard and far less interested in talking to strangers. Doubly so if half the time you were either trying to run errands and go home or had just had a lousy day and weren’t in the mood to talk to anyone.
This – incidentally – is also why picking your moments and being willing to take a pass is part of the skillset. Yeah, that sexy somebody in the produce aisle may fit the mold of “I don’t know anything about you, but you’re everything I’m dreaming of”, but the level of not just skill but effort to shift the mood of someone who’s had a s--t day or is exhausted and simply wants to get some zucchini to go with dinner and get home can be Herculean. Knowing how and when to pick your metaphorical battles is part and parcel of social calibration.
But all of this is to say that the in-person and online struggles tend to be the same; the only difference is that folks think that the apps are going to bypass all of the things that make them hesitate and make a connection happen where it wouldn’t otherwise. The apps feel lower risk because you aren’t trying to start the conversation in person, but as we’ve established, that doesn’t translate into better results.
If you aren’t good at the in-person side of things, you’re not going to do that much better on the apps. You still have to be able to engage a person, connect with them and get to the point where you and they want to go out and do something together.
The last thing I will say is that while developing the skill set is the most important part… you are also going to decide what level of friction, discomfort or sacrifice you’re willing to deal with and how you’re going to deal with it. Yeah, some of the meetups cost money; so do many singles mixers, speed-dating events or continuing education classes. And so – for that matter – do dating apps, with the subscription tiers, pay-to-play boosts and so on. You have to decide whether you’re willing to blow $15 on a door fee or to pay $25 a month (minimum) to Match Group.
Similarly, the friction may entail looking a little further afield – choosing to join a run club or an amateur pickleball league to meet new people with similar interests, rather than an event or meetup designated specifically for dating. This is, again, where the skills come in – including knowing when to shoot your shot and when to hold back. You don’t want to be the horny guy in the yoga class, but there’s a difference between him and the regular who makes small talk before or afterwards and gets to know people… and every once in a while, will ask someone out on a date when there’re some sparks.
So, while my general advice to you is to seek out group events or hobbyist groups – like the aforementioned run clubs and so on – that line up with your passions and interests, it’s going to be more important to spend time in those groups working on being a more socially skilled person, rather than looking for dates. This will take you a lot further, especially in the long-run, and you’ll make new friends and build new social circles that will help with the loneliness at the same time. And that will give you more opportunities to find someone who’d be a good match for you. After all, your special someone may end up being someone who you might never have seen or swiped on if you saw them on Hinge.
Good luck.
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