DEAR DR. NERDLOVE: So some context first – about seven years ago I (26M right now) confessed my feelings to a coworker – we’ll call them P (26F right now). We were super friendly, had a lot of common interests and had similar senses of humor and beliefs. But she was very taken aback when I confessed and after sleeping on it decided she did not reciprocate my feelings. She stated she was too afraid of hurting me, too anxious, and wanted to get their life in order before dating anyone. She said that maybe really later down the line she would be more open to the idea, but not at the moment. I accepted the answer and did my best to remain friendly at work. But less than one month later, she was dating a completely different coworker. I had a hunch they had feelings for each other even when I confessed, but I did it anyway because I couldn’t live the rest of my life thinking “what if”.
Regardless, even though I expected everything to go down like it did, that didn’t make it all hurt any less, so I put some distance between myself and them for a while. Still friendly, but never too close so as to see them interact a whole lot. Eventually I was able to sort out my feelings, accept what happened, and understood that she was merely trying to protect my own feelings when she said she “wasn’t ready”.
Fast forward to now and I’ve been dating my current girlfriend, Q (27F) for just over six years. We’re a really great pair and I’m definitely satisfied with how our relationship is. But of course, we talk about everything, and eventually P came up early on. Needless to say, Q has never liked P at all despite never having met her. She doesn’t like how she was dishonest with me and how she hurt me, but also doesn’t like that I forgave her for it and still consider her a casual friend. She would get jealous whenever I interacted with her and pressured me into speaking with them less, even though P and I were no longer coworkers. Eventually Q convinced me to mute P on Twitter so that I would like P’s tweets less and they wouldn’t show up on Q’s feed (this is back before the site made likes private). But eventually life took me and P in different directions and we fell out of contact for about three years or so.
But recently I saw P playing an online game that we both really enjoyed back in the day, so I decided to play a few matches while also getting the chance to catch up. I didn’t want to make it seem like I was talking to someone behind Q’s back, so I told her what I had done for the sake of transparency. Q was not happy at all. She hated that I did something she knew would upset her, and how I “just couldn’t stay away” from P, even after so long. I told her that I would do my absolute best to reassure her – that I love her, that there are no more feelings of attraction at all between me and P, and that if she ever needed any additional TLC or wanted to talk through her feelings, I would always be open to do so and not judge her for feeling how she feels. Q keeps saying that if I really cared about her feelings, I wouldn’t have reached out to P at all. It makes her believe that I care more about a friendship with someone I’m not particularly close to than her own feelings. Even though P is not my ex since we never dated, Q treats the whole situation like P is an ex I just can’t get over and still secretly lust after, which I do not. But I also believe that it’s unhealthy for Q to restrict my platonic friendships like how she’s doing.
I never liked the fact that Q pressured me into distancing myself from a friendship – especially when I’ve felt similarly to some of the friendships, she’s had but we talked it out and she reassured me. I know it’s possible to get through this, I’m just not sure where to go from here. How can I help guide her through these emotions?
– Every Which Way
DEAR EVERY WHICH WAY: Let’s get this out of the way right up top: this isn’t a problem for you to solve for her or “guide” her through. If she’s going to deal with these emotions and feelings about P, that’s on her to do. If she wants your help, she could ask for it. But she hasn’t, and quite frankly, I doubt she ever will.
The way your girlfriend is acting ain’t cool. In fact, it’s borderline toxic and, quite frankly, is setting off my Spidey-sense. This is someone who is making her feelings your responsibility to manage and she’s punishing you for how she feels, as though you were doing something wrong here. And you’re not.
As a general rule, I really dislike folks who police people’s relationships and friendships and who use manipulative language and behavior in order to make it seem like it’s the person being policed who’s at fault.
In fact, we collectively got a prime example of this sort of s--tty behavior in 2023 when actor Jonah Hill threw a tantrum over the fact that his sexy surfer girlfriend was continuing to be both sexy and a surfer. He complained about – and demanded that she stop – posting pictures to her Instagram, having “boundaryless friendships” with men and continuing to have relationships with “inappropriate” and “unstable” women that he didn’t approve of, in the name of being in a relationship with him. To add a bay leaf of f--k-you to this toxic stew, he framed this as being a matter of her ‘violating his boundaries; her refusing to go along with these demands meant that she was the bad guy here, not him. He was just “asking her to respect his boundaries,” so how could that possibly be toxic or abusive or controlling?
Well, the answer is “because that’s not a boundary, that’s trying to dress up being a controlling dickhead, especially when these are all things you knew about when you started dating her.” Which is just yet another example of “guys don’t want a girlfriend; they want a possession to put on their shelf.”
(We can insert the whole “that’s not how any of this works” meme here, because that’s a whole rant in and of itself.)
Q is doing much the same thing that Hill did, just using different language. I wasn’t inclined to be thrilled about Q’s behavior to begin with, but her use of “… if you really loved me” hit a particularly sour note for me. Instead of abusing therapy-speak, Q is instead accusing you of not caring enough; it’s framing this as a flaw on your part, instead of someone being insecure (at best) or outright abusive and controlling (at worst) about an absolutely anodyne relationship.
Now in the interest of being as fair as is reasonable: I could see Q not liking P at first simply because P hurt you. That’s a level of reflexive “how dare you hurt my friend” I could understand, especially since P was not actually present in your life at the time. When all you have are second-hand accounts, it’s easy to create a strawman version of this person as-what-done-your-lover-wrong in your head. But Q’s getting upset that you forgave P �(in as much as there was anything to forgive) made me raise an eyebrow and start to give some side-eye. Getting upset that you and she are still casual friends and demanding that you stop talking to her at all, anywhere, is where this takes a turn from the “ok, not great but I can understand it” to “no, f--k right off with that, actually.”
While, in general, we owe it to our friends and partners to do our best to not do things we know upset them, there are limits. And those limits especially and specifically come into play when the thing that upsets them are things that affect them not at all. Being friends with someone they don’t like, especially when that person has no meaningful direct presence in their life, is a prime example.��What we don’t have is a duty to manage their emotions for them, which is precisely what Q is demanding you do. The fact that Q has gone all bitch-eating-crackers about P is a Q issue, not a you issue. P isn’t a threat to the relationship, your friendship with P isn’t taking anything away from Q, nor is P doing anything that any reasonable person would see as being disrespectful to Q. P just has the temerity to have a) turned you down when you asked for a date and b) continue to exist.
The reason why you aren’t going to be able to guide Q through these feelings – nor should you – is because there is no path through them. She doesn’t want to work through them, because she doesn’t see her feelings as being the problem. This isn’t about P, nor is it about how you’ve betrayed Q’s trust somehow. This is about you and her desire to control and dictate the terms of how you move through the world, and with whom.
What Q has demanded and continues to demand of you is unreasonable. Insisting that you not be friends with someone, not interact with them on social media or have any sort of contact at all because it gives her a sad is toxic behavior. Framing it as “if you really loved me, you’d do it” actually makes it worse, and it’s the sort of manipulative bulls--t that folks would recognize immediately if the genders were reversed. If P came to you and said that her boyfriend – who has never met you nor interacted with you in any way – insisted that she couldn’t talk to you any more or be your friend, I suspect you would immediately recognize how f--ked that is.
And even if – and this would be a massive goddamn “if” �– I were willing to conceded that maybe she has a point, I think it says something that Q doesn’t see how this goes the other way too. If she actually cared about your feelings, she wouldn’t insist that she has veto power over your friendships. She has any number of options available to her, starting with “muting/blocking P on social media” so that she didn’t “have” to see your interactions with her, to “sit with her feelings and ask whether maybe this is unfair of her”, all the way to ending the relationship with you over it.
The thing to note about those is that all of those are things about her, things that she can do for herself. This is what boundaries are about; they’re about what you won’t put up with or endure, not “other people have to do these things in order to make me happy.” But if she unilaterally breaks up with you because you’re casual friends with another woman, that makes her the bad guy here. If she frames this as being about your not caring about her feelings, then you are the bad guy. And that’s more important to her, it seems.
What she’s demanded of you isn’t reasonable, EWW, and honestly, I feel like giving ground the way you have already was a mistake. That made it easier for her to demand more, and to smack you for not giving in further. I think you need to establish some boundaries of your own: that you don’t appreciate and won’t tolerate someone who feels they have the right to dictate who you are or aren’t friends with. She doesn’t have to be friends with P, she doesn’t have to like P as a person, she doesn’t even have to be in the same room as P if she doesn’t want. She’s perfectly welcome to think nasty thoughts at P all she wants in the privacy of her own head and to complain about her to her friends. If she wants your help in overcoming her jealousy, you can help in limited ways; those ways don’t include your limiting or ending your friendship. Because Q – or anyone, really – doesn’t get to make demands about how you conduct your friendships and with whom. If she doesn’t like that… well, the door’s over there. And if she’s going to continue to insist on this sort of manipulative bulls--t? Then you are going to leave.
That’s the path forward, EWW: she gets over her bulls--t, or else.
Now to be clear: if you draw this line in the sand, you have to be willing to go through with it. That’s the point of boundaries; establishing them means that you accept the consequences of maintaining them and enforcing them… and that can include triggering a break up. If you lay down this boundary and Q continues to ignore it without consequence, then you didn’t actually establish a boundary, so much as a strongly-worded suggestion.
But to be perfectly blunt: I’ve got a general rule of “if your partner demands that you choose between them or your friend/pet/hobby”, unless there are very specific circumstances, you don’t choose the partner. 99 times out of 100, you don’t want someone who would be making those demands of you in the first place. And quite frankly it sounds like Q is well within the 99%.
If she’s going to act like this – especially with her manipulative bulls--t about how this proves you “don’t really care” – then this is a relationship that probably needs to end.
Good luck.
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