DEAR DR. NERDLOVE: I’m an almost 24-year-old Indian-American virgin guy with zero dating experience. Like a good portion of guys within my ethnic group, I pursued an education in a STEM field, which as you might know, is a very demanding time commitment and leaves little in the way for time for socialization. I’m doing a master’s degree, working full time as a web developer, and work out 6-7 times a week. As you can imagine, I don’t have a lot of time for social events, but lately, I don’t know why I should even bother.��There’s been a disturbing shift in the perception of Indians and the Indian diaspora online. Up until about the mid 2010s, Indians in western countries were largely seen as relatively harmless nerds and the men were desexualized, while the women were fetishized to a degree. If this sounds familiar, this is a similar experience many East Asians have experienced as well. While not flattering, this perception of Indians has taken a dramatic turn for the worst. Indians are now being perceived as rapists, pedophiles, unhygienic, scammers, etc. The men have gone from being desexualized to being straight up demonized. And this perception is pervasive all throughout social media, with trends like the “What race would you not date” trend being popular a couple years back, to AI-generated racist videos going viral recently. Hell, even on election night in 2024, there were STILL comments calling Indian men ugly going viral at the same time on X. It may be tempting to use the “social media is not real life” refrain, but history shows that there is a link between media portrayals and real-life violence. In Canada, the recent spike of hate led to a 143% increase in hate crimes against Indian-origin people. This is worsened by the fact that there is seemingly very little pushback on the racism, with justifications ranging from, “they deserve it”, to “it’s the culture, not the race”. The latter argument is especially problematic and insidious because they assume Indian-origin people born and raised in western countries follow this purported pro-rape Indian culture via the perpetual foreigner effect. I’m not saying there isn’t a misogyny problem in India, but if we’re being honest, most people online don’t actually care about Indian women and are just using the social problem to justify racism.��All of this has had disastrous consequences on my attempts to socialize, let alone date. The stereotype of the desexualized Indian nerd was hard enough to fight on its own, but the potential rapist stereotype is infinitely worse, and anyone who’s experienced racial discrimination knows this well. Unfortunately, people are usually not out there wearing their racist beliefs on their sleeve on dating apps, speed dating/friending events, or public spaces. So I reasonably keep my guard up a lot, and have avoided social situations as much as possible, despite feeling very lonely simultaneously.
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DEAR THEY DON’T SEE THE REAL ME: Alright, let me lead off with something obvious here: I’m a middle-aged white guy. My world-view and life experiences are shaped by that. I’m not going to have the same perspective or experiences or live through the same sort of background radiation of someone who’s South Asian, so there’re always be things that I won’t have experienced or nuances that I’m not going to be familiar with. All of which is to say: there will probably be things I miss simply because I don’t see or experience them first hand and the way I travel through the world is going to be informed by the relative bubble of privilege I experience as a white guy so my advice should be taken with all due amounts of salt and skepticism.
Now for your letter: you seem to have left off an actual question at the end, so I don’t know what, precisely you’re hoping to hear about other than just the general frustration of, well, everything. So let’s talk about that for a moment.
There’re a few different things happening in your letter that I think should be addressed. The first is, simply: you’re not exactly going out and socializing much to begin with. This is understandable: you’re pursuing a post-graduate degree while also working full time and also spending a lot of time at the gym. That’s all well and good, but it brings up an important question: are you sure you have the available time to actually date and maintain a relationship?
This isn’t an idle question. A lot of folks, especially guys who’ve never dated before, have never really thought about what dating someone would entail on a practical level, nor how their lives would change if they were in a relationship. I don’t mean in the sense of “I’ll feel a newfound sense of self-respect and confidence and people won’t look at me with pity”, but in the sense of “what changes are you going to make to fit another person in your life?” Many times, they picture their lives as either being mostly the same but with the knowledge that there’s an attractive person around, or that there’s magically more time in the day to spend with them.
Unfortunately, that’s not how this works. We all only have 24 hours in the day, and everything we do comes with an opportunity cost. If we want to slot something else in, that’s going to come at the expense of time spent doing something else – including sleep, relaxation, hobbies or just farting around on the Internet. Going out and meeting people, going on dates and all the rest takes time. Even if you try to streamline things by, say, using dating apps instead of going to social events, you still have to factor in actually meeting people in person and going out on dates. All of that is going to require time to come from somewhere else. If you’re determined to date, you’re going to have to figure out where that time is going to come from. You’re going to have to decide where you have flexibility to shift priorities and how you will free up time for keeping up your relationship. Something’s gonna have to give.
Or you may decide that right now is not a good time for you to try to meet people and resolve to kick that particular can down the road a bit. This is an entirely legitimate and understandable choice to make! It doesn’t do any good to try to meet the woman of your dreams if doing so means barreling into exhaustion or burnout. While I understand both the desire to want to date and the social pressure that makes “find a girlfriend” feel urgent, it’s very reasonable to decide that you want to put that on pause until your schedule’s a lot more flexible and the demands on your time (and your brain and body) are less intense. Hustle culture and grindset be damned, you don’t do yourself any good by burning the candle at both ends. Even under the best of circumstances, all you do is put the consequences on credit, to be paid out of your future self’s health and well-being.
So the first thing you should really consider is whether you can manage some work-life balance, or if that needs to wait until later.
(And considering the demands that grad school made of friends and family, even when they weren’t also working 40+ hour jobs, I think waiting until you complete your Masters’ isn’t the worst idea in the world.)
But let’s talk about complicating factors, like racism and stereotypes about South Asian people and South Asian men in particular. I won’t lie: you’ve got some serious challenges here. You’re right, there’s a lot of racism directed at Eastern and South Asian men of all stripes; even the model-minority stereotype is a form of soft bigotry that robs people of their individuality and humanity and reduces them into a defined set of traits and expectations. And there is indeed a lot of stereotypes that treat South Asian and East Asian men as sexless and effete, if not bumbling and foolish or all of the above. It’s also very deliberate; it started as a campaign of social emasculation against Chinese men and spread outward from there. That’s all real and legitimate.
So too is the rise of racist rhetoric and incidents of violence. The right wing in the US has embraced Nazi wanna-be’s with their whole heart and made hating anyone who’s not the right kind of white a policy platform. These are all very real concerns that you and people like you have to deal with.
I can’t speak to the increase in a popular view that all Indian men are rapists, in no small part because I quite literally never see this come up, anywhere. I’m online to frankly a stupid degree and I do my best to follow a fairly diverse group of voices people and while I’ve seen things about sexual assault in India, I certainly haven’t seen it being carried over into popular stereotypes of South Asian men in general and not in the US specifically.
Now some of this is easily explained by the balkanized nature of social media, and I’m not following folks who are deep into those circles. But that actually serves as a handy segue for my next point…
Your letter runs straight into one of the things I can’t emphasize enough: social media in general and Twitter in particular isn’t real life. Yeah, I know you brought it up already in order to dismiss the idea, but that doesn’t change the fact that it’s true. It wasn’t real life before Elon Musk took it over, but it’s especially not real life now that it’s a Nazi bar full of algorithmically boosted hate. While I have no doubt that you’re seeing this all over your feed, I think you’re hitting the same issue a lot of folks do: you’re mistaking frequency and volume for ubiquity.
Any social media app with an algorithmic feed – Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, TikTok, etc. – prioritizes content that gets engagement, regardless of the kind of engagement. AI-generated brainrot reels on Instagram may get shared around with “look at this s--t”, but it’s still getting shared. TikTok ragebait clips about dating get passed around by folks either asking “is this true” or “it’s so over”, but the algo doesn’t care because any engagement still counts. And nothing gets engagement like hate and racism. The racists and bigots retweet it in support and people quote-tweet to dunk on it but it still means that it’s getting shared all over the place. Doubly so on Twitter where there’s financial incentive to post the most inflammatory s--t people can come up with.
All of this is understandably demoralizing, and it’s intended to be. That’s exactly what these chuds want. It’s both the desired result but also their sales pitch. Pick Up Artists want incels to think women will hate them unless they buy their courses. Masculinity grifters want you to think that manhood is under attack, vitally important but also incredibly fragile and you have to be on your guard at all times. Race-baiting f--kheads want folks to believe that folks from the global south are weak and pitiful but also degenerates and cunning, organized schemers who plot to take over entire cities or countries. If you’re not feeling weak and put upon, you’re not going to buy their bulls--t – both literally and figuratively.
But where this intersects with your concerns, specifically, is how you’re treating ragebait posts as real life and letting it restrict you now before you’ve done… well, pretty much anything. And a lot of it is because I think it’s likely that you’ve been mainlining this and confusing volume for ubiquity. This is something that happens to everyone; when you see the same thing being shared over and over or people saying similar things constantly with very little pushback or challenge, it’s all too easy to assume that everyone thinks this way or that this is totally normal and taken as gospel. I mean, right now, intelligent people are going around insisting that just hearing about a particularly stupid variation of Pascal’s Wager is enough to break people’s brains.
This is something that happens in all sorts of subcultures and communities, whether racial, interest based or sociopolitical, especially on social media, which is the Emotional Contagion Engine writ large. All social media has a tendency to cook people’s brains if they don’t take a moment to talk to someone who isn’t terminally online.
Without steady, regular check-ins with people in physical space, who aren’t terminally online, it’s all too easy to mistake s--tposts for reality. Touching grass isn’t just a way of saying “delete your account”, it’s saying “try to keep this s--t in perspective by reconnecting with the world around you as it actually is.”
I bring this up because I think you’ve internalized this to an unhealthy degree. Yes, racism is very real, the effects of it are very real… but I think you’ve taken online hate and ragebait and are treating it like it’s already happened before you’ve even talked to someone. One of the things I notice is that you aren’t talking about having experienced this personally, which makes me wonder how much of what you’re describing in the final paragraphs of your letter is pure anticipation, rather than experience. You know better than I would – like I said, I’m a white dude and I’m not gonna try to judge what was racist and what wasn’t. But I think it’s worth asking yourself whether you’re anticipating problems and reacting to them in advance.
That’s something I see a lot of guys do, especially guys who are socially inexperienced or socially awkward: they play out worst-case scenarios in their head and treat them as though they already happened, so they don’t bother starting in the first place. Why bother talking to that sexy somebody when it’s inevitable that they’ll think the worst about you?
In a real way, I think you’re rejecting yourself – assuming that someone inevitably is going to assume that you’re a rapist-in-waiting if you so much as say hello. And while I understand this is a form of self-protection, I think it’s serving more to isolate you than to help you. You mention that you’re lonely and that you’re avoiding social situations. Well… seeing as this isn’t making you happy, something’s going to have to give.
One of the truths about dating is that, right or wrong, people are going to make assumptions about you. That’s just human nature; we’ve got pattern-recognizing brains and some of those patterns include “what can we expect from a stranger, based these visible traits?” But we can help shape and guide the assumptions they make based on our behavior and presentation to ease the initial introduction, and we can disrupt or disprove others when we actually connect with them. But to do that, we have to actually make the effort of getting to know them and letting them get to know us as individuals. That can’t happen if you’ve permanently got your guard up or you’re avoiding people entirely.
With regards to dating, especially dating as an Indian-American man… well, leaving aside the questions of “do you even have the time”, you’re going to want to approach things with a mix of realism and optimism. That is: recognize the legitimate challenges you’re going to face, but don’t assume that you’re always heading into a buzzsaw of stereotypes, but rather meeting people as individuals. Part of this means devoting your time and energy where you’ll get the most bang for your buck. I know I’m always banging on about how much dating apps suck these days but they can suck especially hard for Asian men and Black women. It’s easy for folks to get tunnel vision and only focus on the people they think they want, while missing opportunities for serendipity. A lot of the people we think are great matches on paper don’t work in person, but we often find that we click with people we’ve met in person, even though we might have swiped left on the apps. Why? Because the apps show you a very limited view of someone from a curated list; meeting someone in person gives us a different perspective and lets us see them in ways we couldn’t possibly perceive in an “about me” summary.
So in your case, I’d recommend focusing on meeting people in person and to date slow – that is, meet folks in general without the pressure of “turn this into a potential date ASAP”. If you’re meeting someone socially without immediately putting things in a dating framework, you’ve got an opportunity to actually get to know them as a person and vice-versa. Part of the benefit of getting to know people over time is that the more we get to know someone, the more we tend to find them attractive. As we become more familiar with them, what makes them unique is what makes them special to us. So even things that we might not necessarily find appealing in others is part of what makes them who they are, and thus why we like them, specifically.
This also means that you learn about them, beyond “ok, she’s hot” … including whether this person is worth your time or not.
That part’s important. I can understand the drive to fight the image of the sexless Indian man at every opportunity, but there’s a lot to be said for not wasting your time on people who aren’t going to be right for you, regardless. Not everyone’s going to like you – not because of your race or because of stereotypes, but simply because nobody is going to appeal to everyone, and that’s ok. A lot of those people aren’t going to be right for you, too. And quite frankly, it’s not worth your time to try to win over folks who don’t like you, whether for racist reasons or completely banal ones. The level of effort it takes to try to change “dislike” or “racist stereotyping” to neutral, never mind a positive impression, is never commensurate with the reward. Better to focus on the people who are positively inclined towards you, instead.
So – again, allowing for having the time and energy �– if you want to date and ease that loneliness, you’re going to have to be willing to lower your guard and meet people where they are. Are some folks going to be s--tty? Yeah. Are there folks who are going to be s--tty to you specifically because you’re an Indian man? Certainly. But all of life is going to have risk. It’s not evenly distributed, but it’s always going to be there. You have to decide if the reward is worth the risk, but you also have to be willing to take the risks to get the reward.
You’re the only one who can make that decision.
Good luck.
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